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Lubricants Notes from Redline

By Roy Howell, Chief Chemist, Redline Synthetic Oil Company, Formerly of Lubrisol, 7 April 1992

Notes taken by Jack L. Poller. Notes not presented in any particular order

This article covers a wide variety of topics relating to lubricants, including:

Basic Purposes of Lubricants:

  1. Separate Surfaces
  2. Removal of Heat (up to 1/3 of combustion heat may be transferred away from engine by oil)
  3. Containment of Contaminants
  4. Sealing

    Refining of Crude Oil into a Lubricant

    1. Refining is the process of removing all the bad stuff. The bad stuff is primarily oxidants. The result of oxidation of the lubricant is first varnish, then it polymerizes into 'goop'. (SA grade oil will goop in 5000 miles)
    2. Add Oxidation Inhibitors.
    3. Add Detergents. Reacts with oxidized material. Helps keep piston rings clean (Rings are quite hot). Leaves an ash residue when combusted. Not used in airplane engine oils.

      In an automobile engine, the piston speed (RPM) and therefore piston tempature changes greatly and quickly. The tempature differences allow the ash to break up into small deposits, and go into the exhaust or blow by the rings into the crankcase and lubricants.

      In an airplane engine, the pistons are operating continuously at a single speed, and therefore do not go through heating and cooling cycles, so the ash deposits would not break up.

      Generally, for automobile motor, lubricant is limited to 1% ash content. 2% ash is asking for trouble (although 2% may be okay for a diesel engine). Red Line Racing Oils are low detergent. Detergent is left out because ash can cause detonation.

    4. Add Dispersants. Dispersants are ashless detergents, which complex low temperature combustion byproducts. Dispersants keep partially oxidized particles in suspension, and help keep the engine clean. Dispersants can come apart in exterme high temperature.

      Average oil filter is a 20 micron filter. Could go down to 1 micron. Stuff that dispersant holds in suspension is much less than microns (it is measured at the molecular level, in Angstroms). At proper temperature, the stuff is not really a problem. Most of the stuff is Aromatic Hydrocarbons, boil around 180 F, and leave through crankcase ventilation.

    5. Add Anti-Wear additives. These additives chemically react with iron to prevent welding of moving metal surfaces. Most common additive is ZDP, or Zinc Dialkyl Dithio Phosphate. What happens is essentially a chemical polishing of the metal surface.

      The surface gets plated with either Iron Phosphate or Iron Sulfate, both of which are softer than the base Iron. This chemical reaction occurs in the 300 to 400 F range, and the Zinc is a temperature controlling carrier (controls the temperature at which the reaction occurs. When the two metal surfaces come in contact, a small amount of the surface plating is 'scraped' off of the surface. This is replenished by more ZDP contact with the metal. This action prevents the metals welding through heat generated by high friction contact. The ZDP in the lubricant may last up to 20,000 miles.

    6. Add AntiFoam. Anti foam is a surfactant, usually silicone, and weakens bubbles.

    Synthetic Lubricants

    Major Difference is synthetics are not petroleum based.

    Key Advantages:

    1. Volitility: Synthetics do not evaporate as readilly as Petro. based. Usually, synthetic lubricants are based on 1 molecule with a flat distillation curve.
    2. Better viscosity versus temperature behavior: a)Thin less as they get hot, b) Thicken less as they cool
    3. better oxidation stability
    4. Synthetic Oil has 10% better heat transfer than Petrolium based lubricants.

    Differences between RedLine and Mobil 1

    Redline starts out with a Jet Turbine Oil Base, which has a higher level of thermal stability, and they have to add less friction modifiers.

    Red Line has 1/2 Cf of Mobil 1.

    Viscosity vs. Sheer strength are similar, but Red Line handles high loads better.

    Can gain 1 - 2% more power by going to a lower viscosity oil.

    There is no longer a problem with synthetic lubricants eating away seals. (Original Mobil-1, no longer available, left out seal-swell).

    Red Line blends its lubricants, but does not manufacture the synthetic bases.

    Viscosity Index Improvers

    Rubber and Plastic Polymers

    Start with a base of straight weight Oil. Then add a polymeric thickener. When hot, the long polymer chain is really moving around, causing the oil to flow less. When cold, the polymers stick to each other, essentially comming out of suspension. The polymers are stable up to about 210 F, where they start to break up. The drawbacks to VI polymers is that they can cause engine dirt because of their low shear strength.

    
    Viscosity	 A	    B	       C	  D
    
     High |          '          '          '          '
          |          '          '          '          '
          |*         '          '          '          '
          | \        '          '          '          '
          |  *-      '          '          '          '
          |    *\    '          '          '          '
          |      *-  '          '          '          '
          |        *\'          '          '          '
          |          *-         '          '          '
          |          ' *\       '          '          '
          |-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-
          |          '    *-*\  '          '          '
          |          '        *\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\*-*\
          |          '          '          '          '
     Low  |_____________________________________________________________
            Low                                                    High
                                 Sheer Rate
    
    	A	Shear at Piston Rings
    	B	Shear at Main Bearings
    	C	Shear at Cylinder Wall
    	D	Shear at Connecting Rod Bearings
    
    	-+-+	Viscosity of a Straight Weight Oil (Petro. Or Synthetic)
    
    	*\*-	Viscosity of A MultiGrade Oil (Base with VI polymers)
    
    

    What this chart shows is that a straight oil has the same viscosity regardless of shear rate. However, as the shear rate increases, the shear breaks down the VI polymers, and multigrade oils have less actual viscosity at the localized high shear rate area.

    The weak link is the rod bearings and Cam, in terms of rate of shear. There is less friction at the piston rings. Anti Wear is much more important at the cam.

    Slick 50

    Lubrisol, Dema Elgin, a Ford Engineer all agree that it does not do anything. According to Roy, to plate teflon on a metal needs an absolutely clean, high temperature surface, in a vacuum. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that the teflon in slick 50 actually plates the metal surface. In addition the Cf (Coefficient of friction) of Teflon is actually greater than the Cf of an Oil Film on Steel. Also, if the teflon did fill in 'craters' in the steel, than it would fill in the honing of the cylinder, and the oil would not seal the piston rings.

    Phomblin

    Phomblin (Another chemical similar to Teflon, used in polishes) is a flouridated ether, has low valitility, is very inert, has low surface tension, and is very expensive. Owned by MontEdison.

    Motor Oil Temperature Limits (F)

    700	-------------------------------------------------------------
    								    |
    600	     Maximum Useful Range of All Proof Synthetic Motor Oil  |
    								    |
    500	------------------------------------------------	    |
    	--------------------------------- Maximum	|	    |
    400	----------------|	      	| Useful	|	    |
    	Maximum Useful	| Maximum       | Range of     	|	    |
    300	Range of   	| Useful	| Diester      	|	    |
    	Premium	  	| Range of	| Synthetic    	|	    |
    200	Petroleum  	| Polyolefins  	| Motor Oils   	|	    |
    	Motor  Oils  	|	    	|	      	|	    |
    100		  	|	    	|	      	|	    |
    		  	|	    	|	      	|	    |
    0_______________________|_______________|_______________|___________|
    
    
    

    Engine Temperature Chart (F)

    Upper Cylinder Wall		 300 -  500
    Exhaust Valve			1200 - 1500
    Piston Crown			 700 -  800
    Hydraulic Valve Lifter		 250 -  300
    Crankcase			 200 -  300
    Top Ring			 300 -  650
    Exhaust Gases			 500 - 1000
    Combustion Chamber		3000 - 5000
    Coolant Jacket			 165 -  230
    Connecting Rod Bearings		 200 -  375
    Main Bearings			 200 -  350
    

    Coolants

    Red Line Water Wetter is a surfactant - reduces the surface tension of the water. Allows the water to more intimately contact metal. When the water boils, the surfactant makes smaller bubbles, which makes it easier for the bubble to be pushed away from the metal surface, and allow more water to contact the metal.

    Water Wetter has a high Ph, but also has silicates, so it can be used in aluminium radiators. However, if left for a long time, the silicates are depleted, and damage will occur. The liquid versions of Water Wetter do not have phosphates.

    Discovered by Roy Howell. Some engineers were begging Roy to develop a corrosion inhibitor to add to straight water for racers, since racers rarely use AntiFreeze. He did some work, developed Water Wetter simply as a corrosion inhibitor, and gave it to Huffaker. Huffaker immediately noticed lower operating temperatures, and Roy started to investigate why.

    You *can* cool an engine too much. The ideal temperature for coolant is 190 F.

    AntiFreeze has 1/4 heat transfer capability of straight water.

    Temperature recordings at block water jacket exit, after stabilizing:

    
    	Water	Anti-Freeze	Water Wetter	Temperature (F)
    	50%	50%		No		228
    	50%	50%		Yes		220
    	100%	0%		No		220
    	100%	0%		Yes		202
    

    Automatic Transmission Fluid

    Type F - no Friction Modifiers. Ford originally did not want slip in clutch plates.

    Dexron - GM - less Cf than Type F

    Now Mercon and Dexron II are almost identical.

    Gear Oil

    Gear oil viscosity is measured at 150 F vs. 210 F for motor oil. Therefore, 40 W motor oil is the same as 95 W gear oil.

    Gear oil is acidic, motor oil is alkiline. Gear oil needs very high wear protection - Extreme Pressure (marked as EP). Therefore, it has a very high sulfer and phospor content. Sulfur and Phosphate reactions start at a lower temperature, and Gear Oil has much more additive than motor oil. This additive is corrosive to copper bearings and bronze synchro rings.

    Positraction additives are Friction modifiers - make the base oil much more slippery. They coat the metal surfaces, and prevent the stick/slip mode of operation, preventing shudder, and causes smoother take-up. Friction Modifiers may detract from EP characteristics.

    Friction modifiers cause smooth take-up of Limited slip units. For track racing, FM is probably undesireable, and immediate take-up is more important. For Street, FM is usually reccomended for more comfortable operation.

    Gear oils decompose at lower temperature, usually 250 F.

    Gear Lubrication Ratings

    	GL-1	No Additives
    	GL-2
    	GL-3
    	GL-4	Suitable for light duty hypoid sets
    	GL-5	Has lots of sulfer - Heavy duty hypoids
    	GL-6
    

    Hypoid type gear sets have a sliding rather than rolling action, and therefore require much greater wear protection.

    GL-5 Should be used in rear differentials.

    GL-6 is a heavier weight GL-5. Used for heavy trucks and Tow Vehicles.

    Red Line 75 - 90 NS has No Slip, i.e., no Friction Modifiers.
    Red Line 75 - 90 has Friction Modifiers.

    Gear mesh in Gears litterally chops up and cuts apart the long polymer chains of Viscosity Index improvers.

    Smell of gear oil is from high sulfur content.

    Quaiff Differential is a worm gear, and needs a very slippery oil.

    Bearing Grease

    Dont fully pack the hub, as it will just overflow. As it turns, the bearing cuts the grease, and oil leaks out. This oil then provides the lubrication.

    Molybdenum in CV Joint Lube

    Molybdenum in CV joint lube is important in high-angle CV joints, especially off-road applications, where wet lube may be thrown from contact area. The moly provides a dry-film lubrication.

    Miscellaneous

    Red Line SI-1 - Injector and Valve Cleaner - Removes approximately 1/2 deposits on valve with each bottle.

    STP is a VI.

    Castrol R is Castor Oil based. Good lubrication, but dirty.

    Methyl Lead goes to intake faster than Ethyl Lead. EPA now has authority to outlaw lead entirely.

    Marvel Mystery Oil and Rislone are surfactants and penetrants.

    Neo and other Zero Weight oils are actually 0W - 20 multigrade oils, so as soon as they warm up, they are effectively 20 weight oil.

    Recommendations

    Red Line does not recommend DOT-5 Brake Fluid for racing. More compressible at temperature.

    Should not use silicone (DOT-5) brake fluid in ABS systems, as there is little to no lubrication for ABS pump.

    Red Line recommends breaking in an engine on straight viscosity oil.

    Red Line does not recommend mixing race oil with regular oil.

    Can use Race Oil for 3 to 4 Events.

    Jack L. Poller
    Novell, Inc., 2180 Fortune Dr., San Jose, CA 95131
    jpoller@novell.com
    (408) 473-8252

 

 


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